Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eric Arjes
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Contested PROD. Still fails WP:GNG with two press releases, a primary source and a wedding notice and several passing mentions of the subject. I also found https://www.riffmagazine.com/mp3/radio-roman-bad-blood-alison-mosshart-eric-arjes/, but that doesn't help. Easily fails WP:MUSICBIO. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:45, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:45, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:45, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:45, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:45, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- KEEP – Does not fail WP:GNG because of significant, non-trivial coverage in RIFF Magazine and SPIN as well as numerous articles mentioning him as a frequent collaborator with Maren Morris who co-wrote the first song she got cut. Updates include several reliable sources that are not just press releases. Also does not fail multiple criteria of WP:MUSICBIO in that the has released two albums on a major label, and been featured on several network television shows and compilation albums. Wikiwheelmaker (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- A passing mention in SPIN and Riff Magaine is not significant coverage. And no mention of the subject's albums on any label is made so, I don't buy it. Is this because you're the only major contributor to the article? I am assuming good faith, but I would like to be clear that this is not a WP:COI or WP:PAID issue before you continue to discuss or edit. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:03, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- The subject's band release two EPs on Atlantic in 2009 and 2010, bit no solo works. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:40, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- I am not being paid, nor is this a COI. I have met the guy once at a writer's night, and have heard many people in the Nashville songwriting community talk about his work. I think he is more than a "passing mention" in those articles as they are about a song that features him as the co-artist. He is clearly an established songwriter/producer with significant credits under his name and not just from his band. I think you jumped to delete way too quickly, and I might not be the only contributor if you give the article a chance to exist. Wikiwheelmaker (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification. There is no significant coverage which is what is needed for GNG and again, the albums are not his own, they are his band's, and they're only EPs, not full-legth. I did WP:BEFORE and there's not enough to sustain an article so no, I did not jump to delete too quickly. If this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, then we can create an article with sources that show that the subject is notable. Until then, delete it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:09, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- I disagree that there is no significant coverage. Two of the cited articles are about a song he is featured on not only as writer and producer, but also as co-performer with Mosshart. I also just added one from Billboard magazine that describes how a new song from Gone West "revolves around co-writer Eric Arjes’ buoyant guitar groove." I agree with you that the major label albums were with his band, but he has since been featured on several television shows and compilation albums as a solo performer, writer, and producer, which is where the focus of this article lies and proves him to be notable. Wikiwheelmaker (talk) 16:03, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Then you do not have the same understanding of what WP:SIGCOV says about significant coverage. One paragraph is not significant coverage. Mentioning the subject's name is not significant coverage about the subject. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:15, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- I have read through the notability guidelines several times, and I disagree with you. I stand by the article. Wikiwheelmaker (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- But a few passing mentions of the subject in articles about the subject's bands, or other topics, don't help the subject meet any criteria. These is no significant coverage of the subject in the supplied sources, and I can find none online. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:35, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
- I have read through the notability guidelines several times, and I disagree with you. I stand by the article. Wikiwheelmaker (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Then you do not have the same understanding of what WP:SIGCOV says about significant coverage. One paragraph is not significant coverage. Mentioning the subject's name is not significant coverage about the subject. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:15, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- I disagree that there is no significant coverage. Two of the cited articles are about a song he is featured on not only as writer and producer, but also as co-performer with Mosshart. I also just added one from Billboard magazine that describes how a new song from Gone West "revolves around co-writer Eric Arjes’ buoyant guitar groove." I agree with you that the major label albums were with his band, but he has since been featured on several television shows and compilation albums as a solo performer, writer, and producer, which is where the focus of this article lies and proves him to be notable. Wikiwheelmaker (talk) 16:03, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification. There is no significant coverage which is what is needed for GNG and again, the albums are not his own, they are his band's, and they're only EPs, not full-legth. I did WP:BEFORE and there's not enough to sustain an article so no, I did not jump to delete too quickly. If this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, then we can create an article with sources that show that the subject is notable. Until then, delete it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:09, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- I am not being paid, nor is this a COI. I have met the guy once at a writer's night, and have heard many people in the Nashville songwriting community talk about his work. I think he is more than a "passing mention" in those articles as they are about a song that features him as the co-artist. He is clearly an established songwriter/producer with significant credits under his name and not just from his band. I think you jumped to delete way too quickly, and I might not be the only contributor if you give the article a chance to exist. Wikiwheelmaker (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- The subject's band release two EPs on Atlantic in 2009 and 2010, bit no solo works. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:40, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- A passing mention in SPIN and Riff Magaine is not significant coverage. And no mention of the subject's albums on any label is made so, I don't buy it. Is this because you're the only major contributor to the article? I am assuming good faith, but I would like to be clear that this is not a WP:COI or WP:PAID issue before you continue to discuss or edit. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:03, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 07:16, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 07:16, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete – The two MusicRow articles on the article appear to be the only coverage this artist has received from a reliable secondary source beyond a passing mention. This is not enough to pass GNG. Cjhard (talk) 10:12, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.